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[[User:Lifeartist|Lifeartist - Joe Kiff]] and [[User:Mostly Zen|Tom Michael - Mostly Zen]] met on Friday 28th July to discuss the Psychology Wiki.
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[[User:Lifeartist|Joe Kiff - Lifeartist]] and [[User:Mostly Zen|Tom Michael - Mostly Zen]] met on Friday 28th July to discuss the Psychology Wiki.
   
 
We live quite close to each other, by random chance, in Birmingham and Dudley, West Midlands, in the UK. If other contributors would like to meet in person (and live close by) then perhaps this can be arranged. In the meantime, use either [[Psychology_Wiki:Community_Portal#IRC_Channels_.28Live_Chatrooms.29|IRC (chatrooms)]] or MSN messenger (see our user pages for details).
 
We live quite close to each other, by random chance, in Birmingham and Dudley, West Midlands, in the UK. If other contributors would like to meet in person (and live close by) then perhaps this can be arranged. In the meantime, use either [[Psychology_Wiki:Community_Portal#IRC_Channels_.28Live_Chatrooms.29|IRC (chatrooms)]] or MSN messenger (see our user pages for details).
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===Preparing for Harvard===
 
===Preparing for Harvard===
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* Mission statement - This is now finished! See [[Psychology_Wiki:About|Our Vision]].
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* Mission statement - see latest redraft [[Joes redrafting of manifesto]] and [[Joes redrafting of manifesto-again]]** ''I really like the latest version, its 98% spot on'' - Zen
 
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** We may add some more Wiki-links to direct people to specialist information pages, as and when they are written.
*Questions for Gil and the team
 
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** We still need to do lots of work on the '''Details''' section of this page.
***What are the plans for expanding and upgrading the hardware.
 
***What are the plans for duplicating the site on servers in another country
 
***Whats been the Search Engine advice been?
 
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***Whats the business plan. Whats the strategic vision?Whats happening with branding? Marketing?
 
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***How does the advertising work? Can we get more control? Difference between wikia advertising and google advertising? Does Wikia want to handle it in the longrun? What's best for us?
 
***Can they set up pages that keep us uptodate with whats going on?
 
**Talk to them about becoming academic publisher. This is our unique selling proposition to the profession and the grey suites. We offer a way of making the knowledge base free
 
   
 
* Questions for Gil and the team
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** ''Really don't know what to ask, short of, how much help are they prepared to give us?! They've been great so far.'' - Zen
 
 
** What are the plans for expanding and upgrading the hardware.
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*** ''Issues about server speed and backup.''
 
** What are the plans for duplicating the site on servers in another country?
 
** Whats been the Search Engine advice been?
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*** ''Best thing we can do is exchange links with highly ranked psychology sites.''
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** Whats the business plan?
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*** Whats the strategic vision?
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*** Whats happening with branding?
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*** Marketing?
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** How does the advertising work?
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*** Can we get more control?
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*** Difference between wikia advertising and google advertising?
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*** Does Wikia want to handle it in the longrun?
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* What's best for us? (advertising)
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** ''Relevant adverts, no "free essays here" type ads, any way to screen these?''
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* Can they set up pages that keep us up to date with whats going on?
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** ''Ask Angela if Wikia can have a daily news page...''
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** ''Sannse is working on The Daily Edit, a cross Wiki newspaper type of thing''
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* Talk to them about becoming academic publisher. This is our unique selling proposition to the profession and the grey suits. We offer a way of making the knowledge base free.
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* For this we would need:
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** ''Many contributors with Credentials for Peer Reviewing articles''
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** ''Contributors prepared to peer review for no salary''
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** ''Publish articles as pdfs.''
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** ''More bandwidth''
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** ''Clear up existing copyright issues''
   
 
*Publicity material.
 
*Publicity material.
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**[[Letters to journal editors]] - ''Being worked on, please contribute...''
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**[[Letters to journal editors]] - ''You might be best to work on these. Id include an Intro, Our Vision, & what they can do (e.g. they could update all their details, try to attract new subscribers, use google ads as this is a new medium through which they might get more business? Point out what they can GAIN basically. They can come visit the site and judge it for themselves.''
 
 
**[[Letters to heads of societies]] - ''As above but with a different slant - Being worked on.''
 
** Press release - ''Wait till after the Wall St Journal article, so we have an external reference.''
   
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* Remember that Wikia can help us with PR, legal issues, copyright and plagiarism issues should they arise.
**[[Letters to heads of societies]] - ''As above but with a different slant - Again you are best to handle this.''
 
**press release - ''Wait till after the Wall St Journal article, so we have an external reference.''
 
   
 
===Technical questions===
 
===Technical questions===
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**Search engine ranking - ''I can ask Wikia technical people about this.''
 
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* Search engine ranking - 3 best things to do
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***I think this is a key issue. In my book people can't find us till our 'Clinical psychology' is on the first page of google.
 
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** ''Include lots of rich key terms text, the Wiki should do this automatically.''
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**Upgrading search facility - ''Building LOTS of redirect pages is the simplest way I know to make the search better''. I would like to get clear how the search facility works. My way only searches page names. Can it, like WP search the pages themselves?
 
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** ''Link exchange (we link you if you link us) with lots of high ranked sites.''
**Whats the actual limit to the size of a wiki from a technical point of view.
 
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** ''Allow Google software to build a map of the internal site.''
**Exploring the potential of the software
 
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*** Categories to build our Index for us -I feel I dont quite grasp this in the way you do so would be good to get clear
 
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* Upgrading search facility
*** Using New IRC channel for live communication. You'll need to educate me on this. Joe
 
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** ''Can the search facility search for Text in articles, like on Wikipedia? It appears not at present.''
*** Using Forums for general discussion about whole project, and discussion pages for individual things
 
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** ''Build lots of redirects to help people to find relevant pages.''
*** Using BOTS to do much of the cleaning/template structuring - I need updating as to what is available
 
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* Whats the actual limit to the size of a wiki from a technical point of view?
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* Exploring the potential of the software:
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** ''Categories to build our Index for us'' See forum post on Sorting out the Cats
 
** Using New IRC channel for live communication. You'll need to educate me on this. Joe
 
** Using Forums for general discussion about whole project, and discussion pages for individual things
 
** Using BOTS to do much of the cleaning/template structuring - I need updating as to what is available
   
 
===Internet based Publicity campaign===
 
===Internet based Publicity campaign===
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''I can better contribute here''
 
   
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* Blogs - ''I will personally email them all. Personal is better than spam. These people are basically journalists, so rather than try to sell the Wiki to them, I will just link them, explaining why i thought they'd be interested and that if they think its good, please link to US and talk about us on their blog.''
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* Blogs - ''We need personal emails; personal email is better than spam. These people are basically journalists, so rather than try to sell the Wiki to them, I will just link them, explaining why i thought they'd be interested and that if they think its good, please link to US and talk about us on their blog. [[User:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue">Mostly Zen</font>]] [[Image:Baby_tao.jpg]] ([[User talk:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]])''
 
* Forums - ''As Above''
 
* Forums - ''As Above''
 
* Psy Web Pages - ''As Above''
 
* Psy Web Pages - ''As Above''
   
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Local work with Uni courses/student Socs/advertising/getting curriculum up - ''I'll do this for Newman as a test run''
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Local work with Uni courses/student Socs/advertising/getting curriculum up - ''I'll do this for Newman as a test run. [[User:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue">Mostly Zen</font>]] [[Image:Baby_tao.jpg]] ([[User talk:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]])''
   
 
===Structuring the wiki===
 
===Structuring the wiki===
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*Basic structure is getting there. The cats need sorting (as much as I can before i sleep tonight).
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*Basic structure is getting there.
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** New Navigation Templates - ''Done, but Job Queue gone up to 33,000!''
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**How do you do this so I can help?
 
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** New Category structure -
*How to improve the look of the pages?
 
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***''Top Levels nearly all done and linked''
**How to improve link pages? Working links into text? Chapter headings?
 
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***''structure below needs A LOT OF WORK''
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***''Need an article on structuring the Wiki/Categorising the Wiki''
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* How to improve the look of the pages?
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** ''Make sure new users know about user preferences.''
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* How to improve link pages? Working links into text? Chapter headings?
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*Some of our conventions are not clear
 
*Some of our conventions are not clear
 
**Page titles Capital letter on first word only unless proper name.
 
**Page titles Capital letter on first word only unless proper name.
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**Following Jaywins tactic of approaching people whop have written interesting papers. I would like to see his emails.
 
**Following Jaywins tactic of approaching people whop have written interesting papers. I would like to see his emails.
   
 
Any questions, ask [[User:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue">Mostly Zen</font>]] [[Image:Baby_tao.jpg]] ([[User talk:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) or [[User:Lifeartist]] but be aware that Lifeartist is on holiday for 2 weeks from this date.
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'''I'm away for a fortnight'''.
 
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I'd like to spend a while going through the structure of the site with you, to make sure we are both synchronised as much as possible. [[User:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue">Mostly Zen</font>]] [[Image:Baby_tao.jpg]] ([[User talk:Mostly Zen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 22:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 22:09, 29 July 2006

Forums: Index > Admin discussion forum > Meeting with Lifeartist & Mostly Zen



Joe Kiff - Lifeartist and Tom Michael - Mostly Zen met on Friday 28th July to discuss the Psychology Wiki.

We live quite close to each other, by random chance, in Birmingham and Dudley, West Midlands, in the UK. If other contributors would like to meet in person (and live close by) then perhaps this can be arranged. In the meantime, use either IRC (chatrooms) or MSN messenger (see our user pages for details).


Meeting

Preparing for Harvard

  • Mission statement - This is now finished! See Our Vision.
    • We may add some more Wiki-links to direct people to specialist information pages, as and when they are written.
    • We still need to do lots of work on the Details section of this page.
  • Questions for Gil and the team
    • What are the plans for expanding and upgrading the hardware.
      • Issues about server speed and backup.
    • What are the plans for duplicating the site on servers in another country?
    • Whats been the Search Engine advice been?
      • Best thing we can do is exchange links with highly ranked psychology sites.
    • Whats the business plan?
      • Whats the strategic vision?
      • Whats happening with branding?
      • Marketing?
    • How does the advertising work?
      • Can we get more control?
      • Difference between wikia advertising and google advertising?
      • Does Wikia want to handle it in the longrun?
  • What's best for us? (advertising)
    • Relevant adverts, no "free essays here" type ads, any way to screen these?
  • Can they set up pages that keep us up to date with whats going on?
    • Ask Angela if Wikia can have a daily news page...
    • Sannse is working on The Daily Edit, a cross Wiki newspaper type of thing
  • Talk to them about becoming academic publisher. This is our unique selling proposition to the profession and the grey suits. We offer a way of making the knowledge base free.
  • For this we would need:
    • Many contributors with Credentials for Peer Reviewing articles
    • Contributors prepared to peer review for no salary
    • Publish articles as pdfs.
    • More bandwidth
    • Clear up existing copyright issues
  • Remember that Wikia can help us with PR, legal issues, copyright and plagiarism issues should they arise.

Technical questions

  • Search engine ranking - 3 best things to do
    • Include lots of rich key terms text, the Wiki should do this automatically.
    • Link exchange (we link you if you link us) with lots of high ranked sites.
    • Allow Google software to build a map of the internal site.
  • Upgrading search facility
    • Can the search facility search for Text in articles, like on Wikipedia? It appears not at present.
    • Build lots of redirects to help people to find relevant pages.
  • Whats the actual limit to the size of a wiki from a technical point of view?
  • Exploring the potential of the software:
    • Categories to build our Index for us See forum post on Sorting out the Cats
    • Using New IRC channel for live communication. You'll need to educate me on this. Joe
    • Using Forums for general discussion about whole project, and discussion pages for individual things
    • Using BOTS to do much of the cleaning/template structuring - I need updating as to what is available

Internet based Publicity campaign

  • Blogs - We need personal emails; personal email is better than spam. These people are basically journalists, so rather than try to sell the Wiki to them, I will just link them, explaining why i thought they'd be interested and that if they think its good, please link to US and talk about us on their blog. Mostly Zen Baby tao (talk)
  • Forums - As Above
  • Psy Web Pages - As Above

Local work with Uni courses/student Socs/advertising/getting curriculum up - I'll do this for Newman as a test run. Mostly Zen Baby tao (talk)

Structuring the wiki

  • Basic structure is getting there.
    • New Navigation Templates - Done, but Job Queue gone up to 33,000!
    • New Category structure -
      • Top Levels nearly all done and linked
      • structure below needs A LOT OF WORK
      • Need an article on structuring the Wiki/Categorising the Wiki
  • How to improve the look of the pages?
    • Make sure new users know about user preferences.
  • How to improve link pages? Working links into text? Chapter headings?
  • Some of our conventions are not clear
    • Page titles Capital letter on first word only unless proper name.
    • Use of page templates for bibliography etc
    • Use of navigation templates

Recruiting new editors

From wikipedia and online to start with I'd imagine. We need to think longer term though. I'd imagine we may have about 25 solid contributors by the end of the first year, with about 200 occasional contributors. After we have this, we have more of a basis to branch out and improve the project.

    • Inviting prominent names to edit particula areas. Baddeley and memory. He is public about being interested in making the science public and is influential at the hard science end.
    • Contact particular societies and organisations. Eg MBTI, NLP, Tavistock Clinic people etc asking them to put up the evidence available for their theories and techniques.
    • Following Jaywins tactic of approaching people whop have written interesting papers. I would like to see his emails.

Any questions, ask Mostly Zen Baby tao (talk) or User:Lifeartist but be aware that Lifeartist is on holiday for 2 weeks from this date.